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Devils Advocate
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Hi Bm
Our Euromasters have realised that the constitution would be, given the chance (and after promising referenda on the issue), rejected by most countries.
Not to be deterred they are now calling it the Treaty thereby getting out of any promises because they claim the 'constitution' no longer exists.
Here in the UK we have a government that cares not one jot for democracy or the will of the people and will not, short of at the end of a barrel, gives us a vote on anything to do with furthering the UK's absorbtion into Europe.
What is your take on your governments stance toward a European superstate?
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BmOnline
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Well, hi and thanks for the reply. For to many people- this case is just unknown in many and most relations- to the secret scene and hidden tables of head offices around in the national countries, who get this matter down the throat one sunny or cloudy day? People most must be awaked, you need a big needle to put them awake! Without drugs in I meant for sure, 
The main reason for second thaugts, is in fact this top secret, besides they gain own plans and do not make any good care for citizens in general.
Its their plan that they will succeed one day to implante the EU-constitution to all consern.
Yes, Iam afraid to say- the train has left to stay as one solid and safe nation as UK once was?
I do hope that your people will raise and tell what they mean about this "superhell EU".
I have been all over in Norway to tell about this "lodges will" and now people in Norway is stronger than ever at this dobt. 56 prosent says NO.
And the biggest illness in Norway is un-informated citizens. May be its the same all over?
And yes, the politicians runs in the same way as you say they do in UK.
I do not want to put this EUROPE superstate any ells where there the sun never shines.
I do hope this will come to an end very soon. Its a big lie they try to put in our harts.
This superstate is in fact a paradise for criminells not more or less. And I fineally do care for other countries to stay far away from this mafia gang.
I have made a big site (http://grunnlovens-vektere.com/) against this superstate, to tell the top level politicians to stay away, because we have one good constitution with rools that will lock unfare politicians into jail for 21 years, if they play Tarzan and run "single show" in this very important matter to the whole Norwegian nation.
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Our constitution is our ticket to free waterfalls and electrick power. This they have taken away from us already, and given away to money-roolers.
I have been in Germany to tell them what to do to get out of this cancer syst. |
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BmOnline
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Hi Bm
Our Euromasters have realised that the constitution would be, given the chance (and after promising referenda on the issue), rejected by most countries. Yes, they do the same all over.
Not to be deterred they are now calling it the Treaty thereby getting out of any promises because they claim the 'constitution' no longer exists. Yes, take note- they do this at purpose to go around the existing law and rools by calling the new foreign- ideas not laws, but agreements. This is the big difference to normal behavior.
Here in the UK we have a government that cares not one jot for democracy or the will of the people and will not, short of at the end of a barrel, gives us a vote on anything to do with furthering the UK's absorbtion into Europe. Yes, they are bought up, we say.
What is your take on your governments stance toward a European superstate? I am awarning all citizens of Norway via internett and meetings.
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« Last Edit: February 15, 2008, 17:55:43 by BmOnline »
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There is a lot of concern in the UK over the whole EU issue.
For example the crazy idea of free borders has resulted in the UK being swamped with workers from across Europe who come here and make little or no effort to adapt to our way of life. (Eating our rivers barren and, according to the lady in our local charity shop - Cancer research - nicking stuff left, right and centre)
Also the whole issue of foreign policy and defence is a big worry. The EU want to dictate what our foreign policies should be and they intend making the decisions on security and defence for every member state (they have already given up calling us 'nations') via the bound to fail EDF.
The UK also has an extra worry in that Tony Blair, who lied to the nation to get our troops killed in Iraq and who did more to kill our democracy than any other PM, has got his eye on becoming President of Europe (a bid which is being supported by the French and German leaders) which will give him immense power over the whole she-bang. He won't get it without betraying us even more but, fortunately for him, he has a lacky in the shape of our new PM, Gordon Brown.
No to Europe unless the people of this country choose it via a referendum. We won't get one though because our politicians are self-serving egotists dizzy on the trappings of power and the know the great British public would reject any EU constitution/Treaty. |
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BmOnline
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Thanks, DA for return.
There is a lot of concern in the UK over the whole EU issue. Yes I can imagine for sure-
We have the same problem in Norway. We are not member of this union, and we will never vote YES to drawn yet . The most people dosent know what all this is about. In fact it is very simple to read, its the GLOBALIST system we see in desparate action- and their goald is all our MONEY and goods what so ever-.
They do not care at all. They do not want peace. They make war instead, stay away!!For example the crazy idea of free borders has resulted in the UK being swamped with workers from across Europe who come here and make little or no effort to adapt to our way of life. (Eating our rivers barren and, according to the lady in our local charity shop - Cancer research - nicking stuff left, right and centre) Yes, we have the same pattern with us today. When we got this EØS agreement, then hell started. It happend in 1993, when the PM of Norway the lady Gro H Brundland tread this papers down our heads. This EØS agreement is in fact the EU-rools - in a foggy way -like a snake into our parlament. Slowly they put it to our everyday- routines. And so we also got all the foreigners who come to eat at our tables of barrels. (East europeans) most from Polen. But not most bad, as the gang from the muslim countries, who is to crue to tell about here. I have seen many tv shots from UK about bomb mens in the underground. To bad. This is unforgivable. And many of these do not seems to work, and the few who do- to a very low pay, so others (norwegians) loose their jobs.Also the whole issue of foreign policy and defence is a big worry. The EU want to dictate what our foreign policies should be and they intend making the decisions on security and defence for every member state (they have already given up calling us 'nations') via the bound to fail EDF. Yes, exactly the same politician we are bording with. The only way is to keep up meetings to tell people about the truth. The pope have a great deal in this, he is not so kind as many will think. He is the chief in EU. In the US we got the Rocefeller and Rotschild-families who got some pounds to spend -to earn even more.- Here's the big troubles- truely. The UK also has an extra worry in that Tony Blair, who lied to the nation to get our troops killed in Iraq and who did more to kill our democracy than any other PM, has got his eye on becoming President of Europe (a bid which is being supported by the French and German leaders) which will give him immense power over the whole she-bang. He won't get it without betraying us even more but, fortunately for him, he has a lacky in the shape of our new PM, Gordon Brown. Well it seems you have to rely on Mr Gordon Brown, good ideas is not cheep at time. Mr Blair have seen the big weight a year to earn, and then he is paralysed rest of life, I guess? What elles can bring one bright person abroad?  No to Europe unless the people of this country choose it via a referendum. We won't get one though because our politicians are self-serving egotists dizzy on the trappings of power and the know the great British public would reject any EU constitution/Treaty.
For sure, we saw the first time they tried to put in the EU-constitution, and suddenly- wanished. Yes, now they call it Treaty- the gangsters.
I might pay you a visit, to help? A great pleasure. I was once in UK for a short while. (1976) I visit one friend of the family in Scotland. I took the railway up to Aberdeen. And then to Inverurie. I didn't find one nice lady there, so I flew back to Bergen.
Keep up the good work DA!
Here's one good link to deal with:
http://bmonline.no/html/grandy.html
ds: Forgot to tell you about a few strange things, that after we got this EØS agreement, thousands of documents was changed to fit all this politician from EU. We got one change just over night, flexes. The car control we had before was running by the state alone. Safe and clean I will say. Today any garage who clime to have a certification do this. And the big difference is THIS- IT cost as twice as much to pay that big bill. And more to come- the garages of origin often takes case in own hands and change a large range of parts without car owners will. This is so bad.
This is all over- money and money all the way, a colder sociality is the result.
Also the post office is crowded and broken. They have started to sell everything instead keeping care of the parcels and letters. Very expensive to bye a single stamp.
Our Hospitals are ruined for expert-personell. All hospitals must gain plus in moneymaking- you can't believe it. They do not have enough money or people to take care of the old and seek ones. In the good old days, the state always paid the bill, and the state is there to serve the people, as our constitution declares.
And Norway is the best land to live in? No, way- never been! The schools are bad, the teachers are not at the rate we shod being proud of. They are in lack of good teaching and May they didn't learn at school?
And inside the par lament of Norway we have one unbelievable group, who intend to press Norway into EU. This movement calls European movement. Can you believe it?
125 of the par laments 159 members join this gang. In 1969 120 of 150 was members of this gang.
They sit there behind the curtains and play Tarzan- we said no to this union twice, in (EF) 1972 and (EU) in 1994. No TV channel or news paper will tell us this.
The list is too long to tell about, our democracy is just a fairy tail.
The news is, EU is the big NAZI STATE.
And finally some glossary about the pope:
http://www.endtime.net/kinfoe.htm
Reaso-nly the European gang tried to change our constitution (January 10. 08) § 93, so it cud be easier to be an EU-member. But this subject was condemned by the Parla ment.
We raised the Norwegian "jack" this day.
For those of you that have learned the Norwegian language, here’s MR Rally cross- Martin Schanche with us at a meeting in Lofoten, Leknes 2005. A video production/web TV
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v346791xZwXkKcM?c=borgervern |
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« Last Edit: February 16, 2008, 21:44:23 by BmOnline »
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Mark Green
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We are not members of the Schengen Accord, so do not have open borders with the rest of Europe. |
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Devils Advocate
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EU member states are not required to participate in the Schengen agreement; it is entirely voluntary.
The Schengen agreement means that most of the EU countries have no border posts and passport checks between them and it's true the UK is not part of that agreement but that doesn't mean an open border continental europe won't mean a massive increase in migrants heading into the UK.
In December 2007 Home Secretary Jacqui Smith lost an attempt to win a say for Britain in the policing of the Eastern EU borders created by the Schengen agreement when the European Court in Luxembourg ruled that since this country is not a member of the Schengen system, it has no right to a vote in how the Schengen borders are controlled and that is the real problem.
In theory, being outside Schengen means this country can still run its own border and immigration controls but the reality is that mass movements of people toward the UK puts intolerable pressure on the scant resources available to the borders and immigration services.
We've already seen that to be the case with the recent expansion of the EU itself which saw massive immigration into the UK on a scale that blew the Government's forecasts out of the water, with 700,000 arriving from the new accession states. Without any say in policing the new eastern Union border we can't push for strong measures to prevent huge numbers of non-EU east europeans heading west, which will be vital in deciding whether migrants can reach the Channel, swamp our aforementioned under-resourced border police, and hop into Britain.
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king kong
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Why didn`t I hear any of this on the BBC...... I DON`T wonder! |
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lo2
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Hey there
You do not seem to fuzzy about the whole idea about the EU, (which I do understand).
But then how come you are in the union?
Did you have a referendum about it or was it just something that the politicans decided? |
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king kong
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Oh lo2! Don`t get me started!
I`m sitting here surrounded by Pakistanis Chinese and now thousands of people from Eastern Europe!
The town centre is like a working class UN shopping mall...complete with British beggars (never "ethnic") and I`m worried sick about what will happen to my sons.....and all I can do is sit here gibbering into the internet waiting for the next load of Balkan Bandits to arrive and finish us off!
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Balls to this useless country....what has been done to turn us from a nation that ruled the World to THIS?
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ranger121
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Hey there
You do not seem to fuzzy about the whole idea about the EU, (which I do understand).
But then how come you are in the union?
Did you have a referendum about it or was it just something that the politicans decided?
Actually, no, we didn't have a referendum on membership of the EU.
In the 1970s we were taken into something called the EEC, which was essentially a trading block of nations.
The Britsh public were then invited to vote on whether we wished to stay in the EEC, with dire warnings about our economy collapsing into long-term recession if we voted for out.
The EEC eventually became the monolithic bureaucracy that is the EU of today, with treaties agreed and signed (the latest one will be pushed through Parliament without referendum, even though the Liebar party promised one) and is sucking us dry through our contributions and our open borders allowing every Tom, Dick and Ivanavic room to come and work here.
Anyone under the age of 52 has not had a vote on this subject, yet has for the whole of their lives paid for it.
We get nothing from the EU except grief, and it's time we got out of it. |
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« Last Edit: February 26, 2008, 11:12:53 by ranger121 »
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ranger121
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There is provision in the Treaty of Rome for member states to leave, should they so wish.
We should have a referendum on membership, not just the imposition of the current treaty, and settle the idea once and for all.
We cannot continue with the half-in let's only use the bits that suit us situation that we have now.
Either take the lot - Euro, integration, single government, unified Armed Services, single economy, unified tax rate, all for one, one for all - or get out completely, and save ourselves a lot of money.
I already know which way I'm voting. |
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king kong
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Anybody can pontificate about what we "should" have Ranger.....and you WON`T be "voting" at all,you dope! |
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