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Old Git
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Benefits for workers may be scrapped altogether in welfare revolution
By Daniel Martin
Last updated at 12:32 AM on 31st July 2010
Ministers are considering scrapping benefits altogether for those who work, under radical proposals unveiled yesterday.
They are looking at giving people simple income tax rebates rather than paying them a bewildering array of benefits and tax credits.
The radical plan is one of five options in a blueprint for benefits reform unveiled by Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith yesterday.
Reform: Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith sets out plans to simplify the complex benefits system in East London yesterday
In a surprise move, the proposals gained the support of the Tory's Labour predecessor David Blunkett - who said Mr Duncan Smith deserved support 'from across the political divide'.
Mr Duncan Smith warned the benefits system was on the verge of collapse as he launched a consultation document in East London, saying major changes were needed to ensure work pays.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1298992/Benefits-scrapped-altogether-Coalition-turns-tax-breaks-end-welfare-trap.html#ixzz0vG2JEgPs
the last 3 words says it all make sure work pays, get the fit and idle off their butts |
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Richard Lionheart
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It needs shake up.
When you have a situation where its uneconomic for someone to come off benfits and get a job, then you know the system is effed up and needs changing.
Unfortunately, some of the lazy and feckless will seriously squirm and wriggle to avoid having to work. I hope IDS has the balls to make them do it. Personally i'd change the law so you got benefits for 1 year then that was that, you get a job , you accept a job given to you by the state, or you starve. And you would be unable to claim any benefits for 2 years. |
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David Turner
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it ain't dying i'm talking about.... it's livin!
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I fear for our nation. Nearly half of our people receive some kind of government subsidy. We have grown weak from too much affluence and too little adversity. I fear that soon we will not be able to defend our country from our sure and certain enemies. We have debased our currency to the point that even the most loyal citizen no longer trusts it. – A Roman Senator in A.D. 63 |
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ranger121
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Yes. The benefit system is close to collapse. Admitted by the guy in charge.
So, what to do about it?
Oh, yes. "Launch" a "consultation document."
Brilliant. |
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Old Git
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It needs shake up.
When you have a situation where its uneconomic for someone to come off benfits and get a job, then you know the system is effed up and needs changing.
Unfortunately, some of the lazy and feckless will seriously squirm and wriggle to avoid having to work. I hope IDS has the balls to make them do it. Personally i'd change the law so you got benefits for 1 year then that was that, you get a job , you accept a job given to you by the state, or you starve. And you would be unable to claim any benefits for 2 years.
I agree the system is screwed up costly to run and the lazy sit back and laugh at us as we drag our butts to work everyday to pay for them |
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Old Git
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Yes. The benefit system is close to collapse. Admitted by the guy in charge.
So, what to do about it?
Oh, yes. "Launch" a "consultation document."
Brilliant.
True but I hope IDS has the balls to do it |
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rizzo
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There is no doubt that the whole system need a shake up.
Did I hear right yesterday on a news programme that any overpayment of credits would only be repayable if the recipient was earning £5000 over the threshold earnings - that was being REDUCED FROM THE CURRENT £25,000 AT THE CURRENT TIME - WHAT?
Surely that cannot have been right can it? |
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Rich
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There is no doubt that the whole system need a shake up.
Did I hear right yesterday on a news programme that any overpayment of credits would only be repayable if the recipient was earning £5000 over the threshold earnings - that was being REDUCED FROM THE CURRENT £25,000 AT THE CURRENT TIME - WHAT?
Surely that cannot have been right can it?
NOW you can see why we are in the brown stuff.
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Rich
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Now call me pedantic but surely this thread title is wrong
It is benefits for NON-WORKERS that they are scrapping if they get their way .....
Are you for, or agin, as far as that plan is concerned, I think I know that the answer will be in the affirmative.
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Old Git
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Now call me pedantic but surely this thread title is wrong
It is benefits for NON-WORKERS that they are scrapping if they get their way .....
I suggest you read the article again they are considering putting most if not all benefits into one place, its to get people to work and not stay on benefits, people re turning down jobs to stay on benefits we need the country needs them back in work we cannot afford the workshy anymore, putting all benefits in one place would save millions alone in administration costs and feck ups
Benefits would be retained only for those who cannot work or who need extra support. Negative income tax would replace tax credits, child benefit, income support, housing benefit, incapacity benefit and jobseeker's allowance.
Only benefits for pensioners, the disabled and carers would stay.
Under the scheme, all households will be entitled to a certain amount of cash - around 50 per cent of average income - if they have no income.
As they begin work, the level of their rebates will fall as they earn more, but they are guaranteed to be topped up to 50 per cent of average income until their earnings hit that level.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1298992/Benefits-scrapped-altogether-Coalition-turns-tax-breaks-end-welfare-trap.html#ixzz0vIERNpQe
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papasmurf
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Benefits for workers may be scrapped altogether in welfare revolution
I started a thread about Iain Duncans Smiths welfare reform proposals here weeks ago, with with a link to the proposals in detail, I suggest reading that not the media spin on it. |
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Old Git
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But the Mails spin bears no relation to Iain Duncans proposals.
You really are too tightly wrapped, its called humour |
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