| |
|
0 Members and 1 Guest viewing. |
« previous next »
|
Depression to be second largest killer disease by 2020 |
Author
|
Topic: Depression to be second largest killer disease by 2020 (Read 624 times)
|
|
|
Oddball
King
Posts: 7022
Free Speaker
|
The mental health part of the NHS has always been a Cinderella, and very underfunded. It ain't politically 'sexy', and most folks fight shy/afraid of it. Now we iz tightening our belts, the situation can only get worse. |
"We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." - Anais Nin.
'Emitte lucem et veritatem' - Send out light and truth.
'Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt' - Julius Caesar ('Men will think what they want to think')
Kill my boss? Do I dare live out the American dream!
|
|
|
|
|
Admiral Arnold Morgan
i say what i see ! argue with that !,
King
Posts: 7218
Just Another Opinion !
|
Try being unemployed , wishing for work but yet there is none , hardly suprising a young lady killed herself after giving up her quest for work with countless job applications behind her.
Those recent killings down south where the guy killed his daughters and wife , there was talk of owing a few quid to credit cards.
The killings in north wales involved money , again.
Pick holes here is fine , i only recount what i heard on the radio.
But we are to face seriour problems as a country real soon.
No more can the vast majority of people make headway in life , the building blocks of a sustainable life have been removed from so many people now with huge house prices , EMPLOYERS squeezing every last drop out of people also does not help , this is done by having contracts that dictate that YOU work when the company asks you to.
Added to that the huge amount of people here who are willing to work for peanuts, these are our had working EAST EUROPEANS , Sure it can work for them , live in a house with many others and any job you get is fine , YOUR STILL QUIDS IN.
Your still earning whilst having a bit of money left over to make it viable = light at the end of the tunnel.
Added to that the money you have can go a long way back home should you choose to go home?
If on the other hand your BRITISH there is no light and that job (you could take???) will leave you worse off that being on BENEFITS then its little suprise our EASTERN EUROPEANS are seen to be so hard works and the british person lazy and feckless.
This of course is not true.
Two hours were spent yesterday (LBC 97.3) DISCUSSING THIS ISSUE.
And in many cases you were better off on the benefits because the job paid so little , its bad when your single , but if you have children you then need to think long and hard before taking a job, added to that if you get tax credits and that goes wonky owing to someone elses mistake your really in the cart.
Why do people still go on and on and on ABOUT getting off benefits when there are no FU~KING JOBS , and those there are will only make your position worse not better .
Depression , oh yeah , some people (more people ) and more people will fall foul of this as each year passes with no clear understanding of any government to address the REAL causes of why this country does not and will not work.
Im a happy soul really and im off to go shoot some people tommorow in the woodlands someplace(somewhere in england) i shall do my very best to stifle a giggle as i lace up those you did not spot me.
Attached beneth is a picture of me hiding . |
Lucy
|
|
|
Ctoo
King
Posts: 6310
Free Speaker
|
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/1999/may/12/sarahboseleyI am well aware of how depression effects people. And wasnt shocked to see this headline. I do feel that there is still alot of stigma attached to any sort of Mental Health issues, and going by this, maybe its time it was brought from the bottom of the pile and looked at in a proper manner. I think the recources for this are very underfunded, and Mental Health teams are stretched beyond belief. Any thoughts?? There was a peak of 3 million prescriptions for tranquillisers in the UK in 1991, plus goodness knows how many prescriptions for other forms of anti-depressants.
For the last 15 years I have been trying to get the case across that probably the overwhelming percentage of psychological problems are really emotional problems.
The thinking brain recognises feelings but does not control feelings.
The sub-logical brain controls feelings (emotions) but is reactive and does not think.
Feelings/emotions/reactions are learnt by the sub-logical part of the brain.
IMO in dealing with the logical/thinking brain people are putting the cart before the horse. |
viaticus constupro iudicium----Nil Satis Nisi Optimum
----- Corrupted opinion -------- Strive for the best.
|
|
|
Bella102
Bishop
Posts: 218
Free Speaker
|
Try being unemployed , wishing for work but yet there is none , hardly suprising a young lady killed herself after giving up her quest for work with countless job applications behind her.
Those recent killings down south where the guy killed his daughters and wife , there was talk of owing a few quid to credit cards.
The killings in north wales involved money , again.
Pick holes here is fine , i only recount what i heard on the radio.
But we are to face seriour problems as a country real soon.
No more can the vast majority of people make headway in life , the building blocks of a sustainable life have been removed from so many people now with huge house prices , EMPLOYERS squeezing every last drop out of people also does not help , this is done by having contracts that dictate that YOU work when the company asks you to.
Added to that the huge amount of people here who are willing to work for peanuts, these are our had working EAST EUROPEANS , Sure it can work for them , live in a house with many others and any job you get is fine , YOUR STILL QUIDS IN.
Your still earning whilst having a bit of money left over to make it viable = light at the end of the tunnel.
Added to that the money you have can go a long way back home should you choose to go home?
If on the other hand your BRITISH there is no light and that job (you could take???) will leave you worse off that being on BENEFITS then its little suprise our EASTERN EUROPEANS are seen to be so hard works and the british person lazy and feckless.
This of course is not true.
Two hours were spent yesterday (LBC 97.3) DISCUSSING THIS ISSUE.
And in many cases you were better off on the benefits because the job paid so little , its bad when your single , but if you have children you then need to think long and hard before taking a job, added to that if you get tax credits and that goes wonky owing to someone elses mistake your really in the cart.
Why do people still go on and on and on ABOUT getting off benefits when there are no FU~KING JOBS , and those there are will only make your position worse not better .
Depression , oh yeah , some people (more people ) and more people will fall foul of this as each year passes with no clear understanding of any government to address the REAL causes of why this country does not and will not work.
Im a happy soul really and im off to go shoot some people tomorrow in the woodlands someplace(somewhere in England) i shall do my very best to stifle a giggle as i lace up those you did not spot me.
Attached beneath is a picture of me hiding .
That's a very honest account Admiral. And your right, we will see alot more of the very sad dispare that people you mention have gone through and then taken their lives. Though i think ppl should stop and think before they get into debt, I do think that the creditors need to take alot more responsibility. Im sure you have seen certain ads on tv that are loaning money at over 2000% apr. Well this should be stopped! I have already said, to friends, that thieving will rise substantially to the financial economy at the moment. (not that its right to take from another).
Its a very difficult conundrum, you say "No more can the vast majority of people make headway in life" yes i agree, but these days ppl want an awful lot. ie: 50" flat screens, the best cars, expensive holidays etc, but at the expense of getting themselves into so much debt. As i have said in a previous thread, as working class ppl, we may have to do with basics, and save toward what we would like, as they did before. We have alot more but are we any happier for it....
Yes the employers, run total rough shot over their employees. And I remember under a tory government it was ALOT worse. Jobs for £2.00 an hour for a man to provide for his family. At least we have minimum wage now, which is a start. And of course, the tories took away the unions, so then we were at the mercy of employers. And your right, These days the employer thinks our lives revolve around them....to hell with your family life.
And again, If we are letting others flood our country then of course it WILL effect British people and their lively hoods.
Because the media tells us that SOME ppl are living on thousands of pounds, the majority of ppl on benefits are not. AND the majority of ppl on benefit are law abiding citizens, with true and real illnesses. Once again the bad spoil it for everyone. Also, I dont see why we should have to pay for ppl, (not inc asylum seekers, but others that are able to work) benefits of any kind. If ppl come to our country they should have a job, house and so on, AS Australia does.
Depression can be brought on by circumstances, or/and the lack of the chemical, serotonin, the happy chemical in your brain. You have no control over it at all. It really does debilitate you. The thoughts running through your head are terrible, you can not rationalise anything. And suicidal thoughts are prevalent. |
|
|
|
|
Admiral Arnold Morgan
i say what i see ! argue with that !,
King
Posts: 7218
Just Another Opinion !
|
That's a very honest account Admiral. And your right, we will see alot more of the very sad dispare that people you mention have gone through and then taken their lives. Though i think ppl should stop and think before they get into debt, I do think that the creditors need to take alot more responsibility. Im sure you have seen certain ads on tv that are loaning money at over 2000% apr. Well this should be stopped! I have already said, to friends, that thieving will rise substantially to the financial economy at the moment. (not that its right to take from another). Its a very difficult conundrum, you say "No more can the vast majority of people make headway in life" yes i agree, but these days ppl want an awful lot. ie: 50" flat screens, the best cars, expensive holidays etc, but at the expense of getting themselves into so much debt. As i have said in a previous thread, as working class ppl, we may have to do with basics, and save toward what we would like, as they did before. We have alot more but are we any happier for it.... Yes the employers, run total rough shot over their employees. And I remember under a tory government it was ALOT worse. Jobs for £2.00 an hour for a man to provide for his family. At least we have minimum wage now, which is a start. And of course, the tories took away the unions, so then we were at the mercy of employers. And your right, These days the employer thinks our lives revolve around them....to hell with your family life. And again, If we are letting others flood our country then of course it WILL effect British people and their lively hoods. Because the media tells us that SOME ppl are living on thousands of pounds, the majority of ppl on benefits are not. AND the majority of ppl on benefit are law abiding citizens, with true and real illnesses. Once again the bad spoil it for everyone. Also, I dont see why we should have to pay for ppl, (not inc asylum seekers, but others that are able to work) benefits of any kind. If ppl come to our country they should have a job, house and so on, AS Australia does. Depression can be brought on by circumstances, or/and the lack of the chemical, serotonin, the happy chemical in your brain. You have no control over it at all. It really does debilitate you. The thoughts running through your head are terrible, you can not rationalise anything. And suicidal thoughts are prevalent.
Yes yes , those big big teles.
Oh the creidt boom , remortgage a bit more of the house , big holidays , boob job (if your a woman ?) keep on getting the bests newest cars
BLAH BLAH BLAH .
Tis all very easy to see why.......
But yet so many MORE people do not behave like this and get crippled through no fault of their own.
Added to that IAN HUNTLY is going for compensation from US , THE TAX PAYER.
Scuse be but !!!
Depressed , damn right we could be / are , we dont want to hear this kinder crap , when people are struggling we dont need to hear the bloody HUMAN RIGHTS act coming to piss us off further.
WTF is wrong with this country eh ?
Im off for a great day with my daughter now and forget this god forsaken mess , yet whilst im out mind it wont change .
And we need change in every aspect of life in the UK , IT CANT COME QUICKLY ENOUGH . |
|
|
|
|
stonefish
King
Posts: 4381
Free Speaker
|
There was a peak of 3 million prescriptions for tranquillisers in the UK in 1991, plus goodness knows how many prescriptions for other forms of anti-depressants.
For the last 15 years I have been trying to get the case across that probably the overwhelming percentage of psychological problems are really emotional problems.
The thinking brain recognises feelings but does not control feelings.
The sub-logical brain controls feelings (emotions) but is reactive and does not think.
Feelings/emotions/reactions are learnt by the sub-logical part of the brain.
IMO in dealing with the logical/thinking brain people are putting the cart before the horse.
Some depression is caused by emotions,but not all;there are many different types.
Reactive depression is cause by emotional upheaval,like loss of a parent,partner or pet.
There is also white, grey and black;manic,or bipolar an others.
Some people were born with it,a natural resistance to seratonin or not enough production of.That is mechanical
It's a complicated area |
|
|
|
|
Old Git
King
Posts: 10316
I say it as I see it
|
Some depression is caused by emotions,but not all;there are many different types.
Reactive depression is cause by emotional upheaval,like loss of a parent,partner or pet.
There is also white, grey and black;manic,or bipolar an others.
Some people were born with it,a natural resistance to seratonin or not enough production of.That is mechanical
It's a complicated area
I fully agree it is a very complicated area and as you say occurs in many thanks to Mother nature its not a new phenomenon its par for the course always has been and always will be, lack of money and self esteem do not help but even the so called well off also suffer |
The only time the world beats a path to your door is when you are in the bathroom.
|
|
|
Bella102
Bishop
Posts: 218
Free Speaker
|
I fully agree it is a very complicated area and as you say occurs in many thanks to Mother nature its not a new phenomenon its par for the course always has been and always will be, lack of money and self esteem do not help but even the so called well off also suffer
Some depression is caused by emotions,but not all;there are many different types.
Reactive depression is cause by emotional upheaval,like loss of a parent,partner or pet.
There is also white, grey and black;manic,or bipolar an others.
Some people were born with it,a natural resistance to seratonin or not enough production of.That is mechanical
It's a complicated area
Oh yes, you are so right SF, there are so many different types. And people that have not been through it as family and others it must be very hard to understand.
I fully agree it is a very complicated area and as you say occurs in many thanks to Mother nature its not a new phenomenon its par for the course always has been and always will be, lack of money and self esteem do not help but even the so called well off also suffer
Oh yes another good point OG, People automatically think ppl with money are above this, but its an Illness. If your brain isnt producing serotonin, thats that...nothing at all to do with money (if its a chemically based depression) |
|
|
|
|
Richard Lionheart
Queen
Posts: 1891
The truth is the truth. Tough.
|
I have no problem with people on benefits if they are genuinely ill, or genuinely looking for a job. Its the other 85% who are lazy feckless c*nts and have every intention of living off my tax payments for the next 40 years while i work. |
It's my opinion and no, before you ask, I am not going to post "evidence" because there usually isn't any, or you can go and find it for yourself. Why should I do your research?
Remember, never trust a moslem - Muslims can lie for Allah ―Surah 5:89, Surah 2:225, Surah 16: 106.
|
|
|
Old Git
King
Posts: 10316
I say it as I see it
|
I have no problem with people on benefits if they are genuinely ill, or genuinely looking for a job. Its the other 85% who are lazy feckless c*nts and have every intention of living off my tax payments for the next 40 years while i work.
I have always said the same Papa still does not understand that, the benefit system is a safety net for all of us, trouble is some see it as a career |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ctoo
King
Posts: 6310
Free Speaker
|
Some depression is caused by emotions,but not all;there are many different types. Emotions are the product of hormonal changes, hormonal reactive changes are the cause of depression. Depression is a physical state not a mental state so there is a line somewhere between mental problems and depression/hormonal problems.Reactive depression is cause by emotional upheaval,like loss of a parent,partner or pet. Yes, the part that reacts to loss is not a logical part, humans apply logic to the circumstances.There is also white, grey and black;manic,or bipolar an others. All of which are the product of hormonal changes that are triggered off in the sub-logical part of the brain. Some people were born with it,a natural resistance to serotonin or not enough production of.That is mechanical It is the case that humans differ in the levels and strengths of the hormones they produce, but someone who carries a high fear level in their sub-conscious will not produce high levels of Serotonin because their system is either perpetually on red alert or they are swinging between amber and red alert without ever getting down to Serotonin producing green level.It's a complicated area Yes I would agree, made even more complicated by the variations in learnt reactions made by different people. |
|
|
|
|
Bella102
Bishop
Posts: 218
Free Speaker
|
"Payouts of incapacity benefit and severe disablement allowance due to alcohol and drug abuse are costing the country more than £400 million a year, with a total bill over the last decade of £3.8 billion."
Should Alchoholics and drug users get Benefit? I am unsure, would appreciate some veiws 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
![[Valid RSS]](http://ukdebate.co.uk/forums/Themes/Blue-White/images/valid-rss.png "Validate my RSS feed"){kind=small}
