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papasmurf
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More like more ill informed bollocks. |
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David Turner
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More like more ill informed bollocks.
But, if the majority wants it, whacha gonna do?
There used to be a saying; something about being, "hoist by your own..." |
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papasmurf
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But, if the majority wants it, whacha gonna do?
There used to be a saying; something about being, "hoist by your own..."
The "majority" have been subjected to a 20 year long lying propaganda campaign against disabled people who claim benefits.
Were they to be told the reality that disabled people have been subjected to a hate campaign by governments, agents of government, the media, and especially certain journalists they would have a very different opinion.
Bear in mind you are only one heart attack, stroke, accident in the home, accident at work, or road traffic accident away from being disabled.
This week I gave evidence to the Equalility and Human Rights Commission about the nasty campaign which is causing disabled people to be verbally and physically abused and increasingly murdered. |
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David Turner
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The "majority" have been subjected to a 20 year long lying propaganda campaign
So, is your stance now that "majority decision" is not the best way to organise our lives?
'Cos it kinda sounds like you want majority rule only when it suits you. |
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papasmurf
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The "majority" have been subjected to a 20 year long lying propaganda campaign
so, is your stance now that "majority decision" is not the best way to organise our lives?
'Cos it kinda sounds like you want majority rule only when it suits you.
It is you worried about a majority decision extrapolated from a discussion about the covering of the face in public, which is a totally unrelated issue.
In the case of Incapacity Benefit and now its replacement Employment Support Allowance most of the population are only one personal catsaretrophy away from needing to claim it. |
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papasmurf
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Plenty of people are doing the telling, not least of all you in person by the sound of it.
What has changed is now the long fight against the propaganda is bearing fruit. It is on the cards all the newspaper editors and journalists who have been spreading the lies and propaganda will be called to account over it.
It won't be public, and it won't be reported but there will be a change.
The politicians are now being challenged and I notice Chris Grayling in to-days press has been using current data for IB claimants and not a 10 year old out of date figure.
I would like to think my personal letters to him did the trick, but I doubt it.
I did however get a personal letter from him yesterday stating that I will be able to contribute to Professor Malcolm Harrington's independent review of the privatised, computerised "Work Capability Assessment" carried out for the DWP by ATOS. |
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David Turner
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You can have all the reviews you want.
Bottom line is this ... when the taxpayer's get fed up with funding welfare, it'll stop. And there's nothing can be done about it, save compulsion. That is, force people to work on behalf of others; otherwise known as slavery.
Oh, wait a minute; isn't that what we already have? |
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papasmurf
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You can have all the reviews you want.
Bottom line is this
The bottom line is the number of Incapacity Benefit claimants will be down to 1.5 million by October 2013 with **** all action being taken anyway. Most long term IB claimants, (which stopped for new claims in October 2008) were the result of the demise of mining and metal bashing industries at the 80s start of the 90s. Most have some kind of industrial related disease or injury and many would have died years ago but for advances in medical sciece, which is very good at keeping people alive, but that is not the same think as getting them healthy enough for work. |
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johnofgwent
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You can have all the reviews you want.
Bottom line is this ... when the taxpayer's get fed up with funding welfare, it'll stop. And there's nothing can be done about it, save compulsion. That is, force people to work on behalf of others; otherwise known as slavery.
Oh, wait a minute; isn't that what we already have?
No, what we have at the moment is ...
.... a lack of real jobs needing to be done,
.... a lack of people with the appropriate skills and training (and i said APPROPRIATE and if that means a 13 week training course NOT three years on your arse in university then so be it) to do them
.... a lack of control on people flooding in here to take work off those already here
.... a lack of determination on the part of the governent to get SOME lazy arsed bastards off their fat arses
But above all that are two more .....
... A failure, a most utter and dismal failure, to EFFECTIVELY provide for those who have problems but WANT to find a way to overcome them.
And biggest of all .......
... a cult of worship of those who think it a bloody good thing to piss on the chips of every person chucked out of work and unable no matter how hard they try to find something else, and those who think it equally hilarious to portray as living the life of riley and loving it as skivers and freelloaders those who cannot work.
Six months ago a mate of mine I have known for the past 30 years was found by one of his neighbours out cold, collapsed, on the cycle path that goes from his house down the river bank. The neighbour was alerted by my mate's dog, still on its lead, yapping.
Now exactly what the hell caused this collapse is a sodding mystery given that he is something of a health and fitness nut, and has a BMI not even the most size zero worshipping quack can call obese.
And that's why it will be three years (well, two and a half now) before he can get back behind the wheel of a car.
That's kyboshed HIS career as a freelance IT professional.
Pissed on his chances of making money as a taxi driver in the ryder cup too ....
How many weeks will it be before you and your ilk and the ATOS arseholes condemn him as a freeloader ? |
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« Last Edit: July 28, 2010, 13:56:44 by johnofgwent »
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papasmurf
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How many weeks will it be before you and your ilk and the ATOS arseholes condemn him as a freeloader ?
In the case of ATOS they have been way over their contracted maximum length of waiting time for a medical for some time now and getting worse, despite only taking 11 minutes to do a medical to find someone who is dying "fit for work." |
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David Turner
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Clearly, you are a proponent of Big Government, JoG.
Clearly, you believe that people should be compelled to pay taxes; those taxes to be disposed by said Big Government.
A corollary to the former is a belief in the State's right to use force to compel.
You would seem to be claiming that it is acceptable to abuse the individual (the smallest of minorities) in order to further the conditions of other minorities (in this case, the disabled). That's the same as the burka argument; that the rights of some people are more important than the rights of others.
Have I got it right? |
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