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btonyb321
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Racism
« on: July 27, 2010, 02:44:30 » |
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I have read on this site somewhere that racism is a "working class thing" How bigoted is that? I know many of my middle class Friends are racist but in a polite way and there are many on this site as well. I am working class but I believe in multi coloured Britian the Muslims want the country to be a Islamic state. OK are you sure that Catholics don't want this country to be a Catholic state. Or Christians do not want the world to be a Christian world. Or politicians do not want everyone to think like them? The Islamification of this country is an OK thing like having Irish pubs and culture, or West Indian culture. They will not take over and sharia law in the middle eastern sense will not replace British law. They happen to stand out and get bullied by those who think that their opinion is the majority view which it is not. If it was the BNP would have won the election and most of the working class would have voted for them as well. But they did not and answer that one.  |
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Happy Hornet
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2010, 09:16:55 » |
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Seems to me here that Race is being mixed up with Religion.
As I understand it a racist dislikes peoples of a different race than him/her, irrespective of what religion that person embraces.
Religion is indoctrinated into people to frighten and control them usually at an early age. However, many people grow out of it as they get older and develop views of their own.
This is particularly true here in the West where many people have thrown off the yoke of religion and no longer believe in the church's mumbo-jumbo, though they could still be disliked because of their race.
Muslims seem to get mentioned a lot at the moment but if they are disliked, is it because of race or religion.
I expect that plenty of people labelled as Muslims, are no more practising Muslims than many people labelled Christians practise Christianity.
It can be a bit of both, but I put that down to ignorance, there are some people for example here in the UK who seem to think that all asian people are Muslims.
Which is of course ridiculous, some of the most anti-Islamic people I have met have been asian Sikhs. |
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btonyb321
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2010, 20:13:24 » |
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Stonefish you write as though you know why people vote and do not vote, nobody, no polls, no philosopher or anyone can truly know why 10 million ( for arguments sake) do what they do in a polling booth. Or what they believe in. Not even you I hope that has not hurt your ego too much. The only negatives in this country are racists like you that do not have the balls to admit it. At least some on those BNP marches have the courage of their convictions they are up front about their racist tendencies. I bet your one of those who say it's not bigoted to slander migrants believing we are all that stupid to think that it's not prejudiced. I will not buy into I feel safe in the "majority opinion" so I feel safe to verbally bully the Muslims they are the devils incarnate and immigrants who are draining our lifeblood. Most of them contribute positively to our society unlike people like you. OH and BTW some Protestants believe the Catholics are the work of the devil so therefore cannot be seen by them to be Christian. Many Christians think other Christains are not "proper" Christians. But I choose to believe that the majority of Christains are decent people another group that is maligned unfairly for a few extremists unlike the many racists I listen to everyday.  |
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stonefish
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2010, 20:50:03 » |
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Stonefish you write as though you know why people vote and do not vote, nobody, no polls, no philosopher or anyone can truly know why 10 million ( for arguments sake) do what they do in a polling booth. Or what they believe in. Not even you I hope that has not hurt your ego too much.
Not at all,you asked a bloody question,i gave you an answer.
Of course its people like yourself who are the ones that really have all the answers and know it all,as you have just illustrated...so hows your ego doing? 
OH and BTW some Protestants believe the Catholics are the work of the devil so therefore cannot be seen by them to be Christian
Oh right then,well you obviously know 
Oh and by the way,as you seem to know me so well,tell me.why am i a racist exactly?
I'm looking forward to this
Most of them contribute positively to our society unlike people like you.
Tell me,do i support and work for any charities or other non profit organisations??you seem to know chuck
Furthermore,interesting to see you think i'm a racist after i quite clearly said i believe in a multi coloured country.................you hurt my feelings!! |
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« Last Edit: July 27, 2010, 20:58:56 by stonefish »
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btonyb321
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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2010, 01:09:13 » |
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My ego is fine thanks. I do not believe that I am right I have got it wrong many times but this time I do not believe that I have. OH BTW I was using evidence that I had seen and heard it was not my opinion it was some protestant's opinion.
This is in part of what the United Nations describes as racial discrimination. ...any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.(Part 1 of Article 1 of the U.N. International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination)[18]
You make the distinction concerning immigrants you want to exclude them and restrict them possibly to keep England for the English a preference by not giving some of them equal footing economically and any other way. The Eastern Europeans are here by law the treaty we signed with Europe allows this. Other immigrants from outside Europe are allowed to try to enter this country and stay here. I don't allow my head to be indoctrinated by right wing racist tabloid persecution and the dehumanisation of minority groups
I don't see hear or feel this England being overrun by immigrants I see different groups in the main getting on with each other. You might do a lot of good works but you are still a racist, a racist is still capable of love and kindness just not to some different groups. Nick griffin also states that he believes that the blacks and Asians who were born here are British. And that he be lives in a multi cultural Britain. Yeah and I just saw that pig fly over my head |
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btonyb321
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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2010, 13:16:26 » |
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Racist if your the person I am thinking off you should know what prejudice does and how it distorts the truth. So that others treat you badly. |
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stonefish
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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2010, 14:10:24 » |
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You make the distinction concerning immigrants you want to exclude them and restrict them possibly to keep England for the English a preference by not giving some of them equal footing economically and any other way. The Eastern Europeans are here by law the treaty we signed with Europe allows this. Other immigrants from outside Europe are allowed to try to enter this country and stay here. I don't allow my head to be indoctrinated by right wing racist tabloid persecution and the dehumanisation of minority groups
I don't see hear or feel this England being overrun by immigrants I see different groups in the main getting on with each other. You might do a lot of good works but you are still a racist, a racist is still capable of love and kindness just not to some different groups. Nick griffin also states that he believes that the blacks and Asians who were born here are British. And that he be lives in a multi cultural Britain. Yeah and I just saw that pig fly over my head
Well,first,i am not a racist,but you're entitled to your opinion;and you are very naive.
The UN deafintion ( which is not definitive ) of racism,does not,as you will see mention geographic boundaries;for a very good reason.It would have to challenge any country with immigration restrictions ( which is about every country on the planet ) of being racist.
Yes i want major controls on immigration,no that does not make me a racist.
I have many foreign friends from all over the world,in fact most of my friends are not English.I have spent many years travelling this planet,i have met people from every beckground,shape and colour you care to mention.
No,i am not a racist and you ARE talking out of your rear end.
You need to grow up
right,i'm back to having my time off from this 'joke 'of a 'debate.' |
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SolidSnake
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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2010, 16:38:34 » |
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On the subject of racism I think that like religion it is indoctranated into the young from an early age by parents and family friends etc I think also many do not wake up to it as different issues can cloud the subject like immigration which can focus the debate in a diferent direction than is needed. This is most probably one of the tactcis used by parties such as the BNP.
On the issue of immigration I feel for the subject to gain any sort of credability for those wishing to impose caps or tighten borders there must not only be a cap on immigrants but on emmigrants also, then maybe we can see how the people react to the very way they try to treat people wishing to enter the country.
I must add I favour no cap on either, people should have the right to live and work where they please if they can afford to do it and make a life for themselves who are you to deny them that chance. |
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btonyb321
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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2010, 23:24:19 » |
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Well said solidsnake |
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