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Church on brink of schism as synod votes for women bishops |
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rizzo
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Where are all the 'rights' activists particularly 'women's' - grow up male clergy what are you all frightened of?
Are they aware that in the very early days of the Christian church female priests were the norm, they are shown in early pictorials and murals. |
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krinto
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If there is schism can the CoE remain the established church? |
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Cymru
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If there is schism can the CoE remain the established church?
I'm not sure?
If it does it will be a much reduced established church.
The country might as well return to the fold or disestablish the church if this is how things are going. |
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johnofgwent
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Say bye bye to the Anglican Communion as you know it.
Um ... for as long as I have known it, the "Anglian Communion" has been a loosely held together collection of liberal churchmen in the United Kingdom at logger heads with the far more "literalist / fundamentalist" ideals of the churches in the countries our misionaries went out with missionary zeal to convert.
hardly surprising really- the past history of anglican mission is one of firebrand zealots "bringing the word" to the dark and heathen lands of the world whilst in the mother country the eldest son inherited, the second son took on "the living" and the others went into the military.As Pat Condell puts it, The Anglican Faith In The Country Of Its Origin is one that goes well with a cup of tea and a cucumber sandwich and that's about it.
I don't share this pessimistic view - They will perhaps lose a couple of dozen fundies who say they "cannot be assured of the sanctity of the sacrament" because "the person that has been ordained to carry them out has no authority under god for their ordination was carried out by a woman against god's will" but in my personal belief that "will" derives more likely than not from the probable decision of fallible mortal men at the gathering at Nicea to consider as canon anything that put men in charge and burn as heretical anything that dared to suggest otherwise.
In the days when I believed in God the particular flavour of christian church I belonged to had a youth movement whose initial letters spelled out FURY. And it was about as inappropriate a name as I can think of. And the mismatch between name and works sums up in my mind this mismatch in the Anglican Church.
My previous indulgences have however, given me the ultimate last laugh should I be able to make a comeback to witness my own funeral for in the standing instructions in the case on the shelf on the wall is a demand that one of the hymns be Brian Wren's "There's a Spirit In The Air" and the only reason it is on that list is that for almost two years Mrs JoG and I were the only people in South Wales who could sing it as the author intended it to be sung, for we were taught to sing it BY HIM at one of those youth movement summer camps.
If you think converting the islamist to christianity is hard work, you've clearly never tried to persuade a cathedral organist to use the music score the author of the hymn wrote for his work, not the alternative they've used for the last five years ....
Now, if a muscular gentlemen of venerable years with wizened looking face white beard and electric sparks flying ff his fingertips materialises out of thin air outside the meeting place of Synod, incants "THOU HAST BETRAYED ME UNTO THE FORTIETH GENERATION" and lifts his hand and turns Rowan Williams to salty charcoal dust I'll be the first to applaud.
But methinks it ain't going to happen. The best we can expect is a storm rocking the roof of Canterbury Cathedral. |
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« Last Edit: July 13, 2010, 09:12:57 by johnofgwent »
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Sweet Pea
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Where are all the 'rights' activists particularly 'women's' - grow up male clergy what are you all frightened of?
Are they aware that in the very early days of the Christian church female priests were the norm, they are shown in early pictorials and murals.
Why does the Christian church attract mysoginists, homosexuals and child abusers?
and people go for help to them???
I wonder what Jesus would have said. What a shambles. Sexual bigotry.
And to think a sexist argument can rock the Church that was created so that Henry could have more control over women. ie dispense with them at will. |
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« Last Edit: July 13, 2010, 09:53:44 by Sweet Pea »
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Gand
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I quite like the Anglican Church, it is liberal, reasonably moderate and it is also something of a bastion against protestant fundamentalism of the type that seems prevalent in the United States … try debating with a few Southern Baptists. 
If we have to have Christianity in this country it is a version I can live with and I hope it is not deterred from continuing to pursue its moderate agenda.
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Cymru
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As a Roman Catholic I'm afraid that this could be the thin end of the wedge to manipulate all churches to accept women as Bishops, and Bishops are meant to represent Jesus the Christ; who undoubtably was male.
Ian, as a Roman Catholic you should be happy. Loads of conservative Anglicans might be joining your church in the next few months!
The Pope has already said that he will welcome them with open arms, even making exceptions for those Anglican priests who are married. |
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« Last Edit: July 13, 2010, 20:12:47 by Cymru »
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Tori_105
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- grow up male clergy what are you all frightened of?
Maybe they're frightened they'll be challenged more about child sex abuse which sems to be an ever growing problem within the church! Surely an increase of female clergy will reduce such happenings and I'm sure most women clergy would be happy to defend a child rather than abuse them!? Harsh I know, but certainly a fact to ponder. Male dominance is soooooo last century!!! |
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Tori_105
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Why does the Christian church attract mysoginists, homosexuals and child abusers?
I wonder what Jesus would have said. What a shambles. Sexual bigotry.
totally with you on this one!!! |
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Texture
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It is about time the church conformed to the views of non believers; it is a dogmatic, authoritarian organisation that needs to be told what to do by those who have no interest in it.  |
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Gus
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Church is an ASS , a very rich company that the elite live in a life of luxury , strange how you can interpretate the bible to meet ones own needs. |
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